Heart without Measure: Gurdjieff Work with Madame de by Ravi Ravindra

By Ravi Ravindra

Center with out degree is a suite of excerpts from the journals of Ravi Ravindra, giving a glimpse of the extreme lifestyles and educating of Madame Jeanne de Salzmann and the Gurdjieff paintings throughout the eyes of 1 of her scholars. Ravindra’s account of his conferences, letters and encounters with Madame de Salzmann is deeply intimate, but it's not in simple terms own. His questions, doubts and insights will not be in contrast to our personal. In those memories of a scholar, we listen Madame de Salzmann’s voice; the readability of her belief and the strength of her perception are obvious all through.

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As the summer moved on, the visits with Madame de Salzmann began to seem very far away, as if they had taken place a long time ago. I was no longer able to remember with any vividness what I had understood in her presence. What had been entirely clear and imperative then, now seemed like a good idea which would perhaps be useful to practise sometime. I wrote to Madame de Salzmann describing my inner situation. She wrote back in September, 1980: I was interested by your letter. What you feel is quite normal—an insufficiency, a lack of intensity of perception, a lack of freedom in the ordinary mind ...

Before we left, Madame de Salzmann said, "In Mr. Gurdjieff's presence one felt an extraordinary freedom to be what and how one wanted to be. He would give them food and drink—even oblige them to drink too much—to add to this freedom. But one could not behave 31 One cannot behave just anyhow Just anyhow. " Certainly, in the presence of Madame de Salzmann I have always felt an extraordinary freedom to be simply myself, without the burden of the usual considering, pretense and fear. However, being near a person of a higher level obliges one.

Finally, I said, "I have no special reason for wanting to see the apartment. Until yesterday, I did not even know that it existed. " 29 One cannot behave just anyhow She smiled very warmly and said, "What you say is true. On e wishes to get something without paying for it. Of course, you should see the place. It is important for you to see it. But you must see it in the right way, not anyhow. I will take you there myself. Come tomorrow! " I had no idea what had taken pl ace. It seemed like the situation in so many mythological stories: the bumbling hero does not understand what he is doing or what he should be doing, but some fairy or maiden, or some animal, gives him just the right help through a hint or a word, and he succeeds in spite of himself.

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